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greetings everyone and welcome to

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spacing out I'm Jason McClellan and I'm

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marina Ellsbury thanks so much for

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joining us we've got our drinks in hand

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so let's jump into some of the strange

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stories that have made headlines

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we believe that all news good or bad is

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better with a drink in hand so Maureen

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what are you drinking today today I'm

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playing a little on the wild side I have

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made I haven't tried it yet

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maybe I should try it but that looks

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fancy oh it's actually quite good um I

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made a dirty vodka martini with pickles

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and no you seen the alien oh sorry

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outer space not alien vodka it's shaped

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like a plant so that works but it is

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that was alien head very cool and you

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used pickles that's amazing

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and I should say this this was a gift

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from a viewer and also friend Eric so

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thanks Eric we are enjoying our alien

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booth alien booze is always good booze

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yeah what do you got we talked about

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alien booze on the last episode to where

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we said we wished it was alien booze

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remember it's too bad we started

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drinking alien booze because it was time

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travel

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yes well today I am drinking a

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concoction started infusing vodka so

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this is vodka infused with with time

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travel with time travel juices from

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extraterrestrials no it's actually

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infused it's making me very hungry

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because it's infused with basil and

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garlic so nice it smells amazing and

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it's actually quite good on Thursday

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December 14th NASA held a press

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conference to announce the latest

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findings from its badass planet hunting

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space-based telescope Kepler the press

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conference focused on an eighth planet

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discovered in a solar system

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approximately 2,500 light-years away

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from Earth these planets circle a star

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called Kepler 90 and the latest

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planetary discovery means that solar

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system now ties ours for the highest

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number of planets around a single star

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exoplanet discoveries are pretty cool by

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themselves and they happen pretty

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regularly now largely in part due to

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Kepler but what makes the latest

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discovery even cooler is that it was

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detected by artificial intelligence

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by teaming up with Google AI NASA

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astronomers used machine learning to

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look for weak signals in Kepler's data

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Paul hearse astrophysics division

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director at NASA

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stated at the press conference Kepler

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has already shown us that all other

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stars have planets and now we know that

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other stars can have large solar systems

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like our own since its launch in 2009

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more than 2,500 planets have been

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identified

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thanks to data collected by Kepler

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they're sure to be many more discoveries

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waiting to be found in that mountain of

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data and those discoveries will likely

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come much sooner now thanks to

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technology providing new scientific

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methods for scouring archival science

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thanks robots on Wednesday November 15th

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an article titled airliners and f-15s

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involved in bizarre encounter with

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mystery aircraft over Oregon was

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published on the warzone a section

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devoted to military technology strategy

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and history on the drive a website owned

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by Time Inc this article's author

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military and aviation correspondent

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tyler rogue away tells the story of an

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incident that took place in October 2017

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an unidentified craft was seen at

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in the sky near the border of California

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and Oregon the article points out an

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apparent witness account posted by a

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pilot to Reddit this pilot states just

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landed in Seattle coming from the Bay

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Area beginning over Southern Oregon

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we kept overhearing Seattle Center

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attempting to track an airplane with no

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transponder who wasn't talking a handful

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of crews were able to track it visually

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best they could tell it was between

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35,000 and 37,000 feet

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northbound nobody close enough to see

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the type last we heard it was over the

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northbound and some fighters perhaps out

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of Portland International Airport were

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scrambled to go take a peek Center had

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trouble tracking it on primary radar

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strange my theory is they were running

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drugs to Canada no news yet

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not that I could find the pilot followed

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up with an update stating called Seattle

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air route traffic control center the

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gentleman I spoke with said that they

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initially got alerted to the aircraft

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from Oakland Center who was painting it

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on primary illuminated with radar but

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without transponder information for

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whatever reason

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they couldn't track it themselves on

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primary and that's when I overheard them

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using airline aircraft to track it

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visually the last airplane to see it had

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to descend into Portland in lost sight

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of it the fighters were scrambled out of

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PDFs but flew around for a while and did

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not find it that's that audio from air

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traffic control seems to corroborate the

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story yes sir she's gonna give us

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traffic politics is sentiment

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unrealistic waiting for that perfect if

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it's actually true one o'clock of the

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one cross-border miles out today that's

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made it between 3-5 year like 370

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they're not working at it faster than

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its 200 feet I responded visually for

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sentencing three five zero and three

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seven zero regulate with this West River

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Lake area I will keep an outcast

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unfortunate family 34:17 therapy from

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the last known position that's

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essentially true one that will cost

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about 20 miles now 34 seconds south with

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police 712 we still have a visual on it

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we'll call it one so probably about 20

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miles 20 seconds maybe two o'clock

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hello 3470 is really a cool faucet about

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15 miles you have to have a necessity

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for today

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so it was amazing to see you have him in

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sight yes okay and if you can give me an

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estimate your eye looks about level with

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us and that's not able to Co type the

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articles author a Tyler drug away

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summarizes the audio is fantastic as it

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illustrates that there were many

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communications between various jet crews

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and Seattle Center whose controllers

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tried to track the aircraft as it made

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its way north toward the Willamette

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Valley the aircraft was not able to be

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tracked on radar nor did it show up on

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crews digital traffic collision

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avoidance systems but it was clearly

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there although never quite close enough

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to positively identify what its exact

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type was rogue way reached out to the

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second fighter wing based at Portland

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Aerospace Defense Command or NORAD and

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the FAA in an attempt to gain any

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additional information about this UFO

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NORAD acknowledged this incident and did

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confirm that airliner pilots were asked

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to try to track and identify this white

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object that was traveling between 35,000

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and 40,000 feet NORAD also confirmed

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that f-15s from Portland were scrambled

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to investigate but were unsuccessful in

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locating the mysterious craft rogue away

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explains the 142nd Fighter Wing operates

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f-15cs upgraded with the most capable

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air-to-air radar set in the world and

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sniper advanced targeting pods for

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long-range visual identification their

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pilots are some of the best in the world

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and are highly trained in the homeland

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air defense mission the fact that they

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quote didn't find anything is surprising

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to say the least

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the FAA also acknowledged the incident

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but provided no additional information

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and 142nd Fighter Wing didn't respond at

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all the rogue away's inquiry naturally

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some believe this unidentified craft was

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top-secret military aircraft out of

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Beale Air Force Base in California an

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unknown military aircraft should always

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be considered as an option when you're

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trying to identify unknown aerial crafts

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it's a foregone conclusion that the

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military possesses technology that's

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unknown to the general public but still

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with this particular incident

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we have several interesting points to

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consider one an unidentified white craft

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was seen by several pilots flying over

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Oregon to fighter jets were scrambled to

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intercept and identified the unknown

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craft but were unsuccessful in locating

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it 3 the FAA and NORAD confirmed that

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the incident occurred for the craft was

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large enough to be seen at a distance by

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commercial traffic it reportedly

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traveled at an incredible approximate

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speed of 860 miles per hour it had

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limited radar reflectivity and is

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capable of executing haiji maneuvers

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again it's certainly possible that this

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crap belongs to the military and NORAD

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the Air Force etc are divulging the full

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story what without

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confirmation of that and looking at all

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of the available evidence and the

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interesting elements of this case it

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leaves the door open to other

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possibilities and now for our weird

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story a man in Volgograd Russia claims

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he lived on Mars in a past life on

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Monday November 6 the UK media outlet

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the son published a story with the title

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my life on Mars

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this genius Russian kid says he was born

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on Mars and his parents believed him

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this kid now 21

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is Boris Capri on ovitch this guy is

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allegedly highly intelligent he

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reportedly began speaking when he was

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only a few months old and he could read

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draw and paint at the young age of one

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and a half

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beresch cos mother said he talked about

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space and alien civilizations a lot as a

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child and that's when he started

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claiming that he was born on Mars now

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according to his claims he was a Martian

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pilot who fought in a nuclear war that

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broke out on Mars leaving only a few

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survivors who were forced to retreat

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underneath the planet's surface to

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construct underground cities so how did

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worse could come to live on earth well

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he claims that when people died on Mars

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their souls were stored in special

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stones but one of those stones broke and

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those souls found their way to earth

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Russian media outlet propped the

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published stories on Boris go in 2005

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that caught the eye of Project Camelot a

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production company focused on doing

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guerrilla style interviews on alleged

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whistleblowers and others related to

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conspiracy theories UFOs and other

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strange phenomena Project Camelot then

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went to Moscow in interviewed Barry

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schmell in 2007 but that's been it there

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hasn't really been any news or media

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coverage on this incredible guy since

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then so then why is this story back in

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the news all of a sudden countless media

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outlets from around the world publish

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stories about Berisha in November

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following the sun's lead but none of

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these stories offer any new information

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they're all just rehashing information

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obtained by Project Camelot

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during the 2007 interview unfortunately

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we see this

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regularly with news stories for one

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reason or another old stories are

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published by one media outlet then the

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stories picked up by other outlets and

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then all of a sudden we've got an old

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story that's new again but speaking

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specifically about the Bur ishka story I

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don't know about you Maureen but I don't

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really get why the story ever got media

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attention I mean there's just so much

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about the story that makes me think it's

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a whole lot of nothing nothing it's

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crazy it was it was a cold winter night

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in Moscow no one had anything to do

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yeah well searching for evidence no um

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you know we often see this happen all

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the time and really fantastical news

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stories that right away you think why

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isn't this dismissed why is a media

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outlet publishing this but it but it's

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these sort of news outlets that are

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covering it like this son who look for

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that they were looking specifically for

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that type of most the general public

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would think it was completely crazy

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headline it's gonna get clicks people

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are gonna want to read that so yeah I

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think it's UK media outlets you know a

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lot of them are are sensationalistic

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tabloids that's what they are so you're

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right they seek that out but it's

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fascinating because those same stories

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seem to find new life you know a few

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years down the road they get dug up by

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someone looking at stories and they

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publish it for really no seemingly new

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reason there's nothing that happened to

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you know encourage or or merit writing a

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new story it's just writing the same

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information that all back in 2007 that

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was an interview with this guy mm-hmm

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and we're a little hypocritical here

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because we are now covering this story

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well we're more covering the coverage of

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this story but I mean looking at the

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that just a case by itself and what it

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was and the the what came out of the

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interview and in 2007 I mean it it just

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there's so many red flags with it that I

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don't know why anybody would continue

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believing it if you believed there was

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something there to begin with I mean

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first of all you have a kid

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who whose parents may or may not have

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encouraged this I mean what kid doesn't

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say oh I fly around in spaceships on

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Mars like you know kids say some pretty

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ridiculous things but they for some

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reason believed him and encouraged it

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and in the interview even like they're

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filling in blanks for him to say no no

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remember you said this this is what you

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told this you did this is what you did

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on Mars this is why you said that just

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you know coaching him along the way he

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seems like a pretty normal normal kid

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but getting some bad advice and bad

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encouragement in my opinion but a lot of

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conflicting things he says to the people

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didn't really latch on to like there was

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the war on Mars and almost everybody on

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Mars died but he also says that like he

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can't die he's immortal

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but yet he's aging on earth arif aging

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on earth he's not worried about dying

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because he's immortal but he already

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died apparently and all of his people on

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Mars died so I don't know really

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confusing yeah confusing but it does

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have a little hint of interest to us in

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the fact that there are a lot of actual

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seemingly plausible theories that if

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maybe a natural disaster happened on

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Mars to lead it to its current dusty red

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planet state that life may have

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retreated to lava tubes underneath the

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planet's surface that has a lot more

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credence than this child Martian and as

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you and I have talked about so many

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times before

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big fan of that looking in lava tubes

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for life on Mars that's where it is

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absolutely it's got to be anywhere and

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that's where yeah that's right

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another thing that that borage could did

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you know like a lot of these supposed

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saviors or you know chosen alien P

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extraterrestrials-- now to save humanity

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or whatever messages they bring they had

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this whole savior complex but they also

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make predictions and Briscoe was also a

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predictor and he predicted that

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there would be a great flood that would

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really affect most of the earth and

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wiped most everybody out and and that

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didn't happen I forget what year he

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predicted that what happened but it was

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years ago and it never hmm okay I

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thought you were trying to hint at like

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the Bible story of Noah's Ark or

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something well now I might have been

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where he was getting it maybe there's

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some weird timeline yeah maybe well

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thinking about know let's talk about our

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first story about what Kepler Kepler is

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you know an instrument we've talked

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about so much on the show before big

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fans of Kepler on this show that really

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opened the door for exoplanets it really

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with with the launch of Kepler and when

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that came online back in 2009 that just

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opened the floodgates of discovering

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exoplanets planets outside our solar

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system

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and I know a lot of people think so what

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who cares that there are planets out

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there aliens are here why do we care

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yeah I hear you I hear you guys but this

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is exciting because it opens our eyes to

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just how big and awesome and and and

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filled with planets the universe is and

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all of these new discoveries and now

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that we have machine learning aiding and

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it's it's as creepy and scary and

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awesome as it is in terminator I mean

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they literally used a neural net to you

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know find these discrepancies these

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discrepancies that human eyes overlooked

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in finding these new planets so good I

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was gonna say I think that you make a

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good point there it's this advent of

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machine learning and big data and you

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know I'm in this on my day to day work

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in this sphere for technology companies

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and it's crazy how much these these new

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sort of processes we have and in the

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ways we can digest all this big data and

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then learn from it yeah and and we can

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identify things we've never been able to

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identify

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four and we have companies like SETI

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using this and and I've seen them at

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tech conferences which is really cool is

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you see that they're presenting this to

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non space industries non UFO or anybody

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in the interest to this this is to

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engineers and it's kind of this really

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fascinating time because space industry

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is now adopting all of this to analyze

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all of this massive amounts of data

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we're getting here's where in the past

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and still currently we are doing a bit

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of crowdfunding you know we have SETI

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saying hey can you look on your computer

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and start running these numbers if you

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see anything weird let us know but we

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also have now this system in place where

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the process can help sift through this

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data a credible rate of speed and

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construct sort of this big picture over

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time of what is happening and what's out

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there

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yeah the whole process has just been

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completely transformed you're right with

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doing the the crowdsourcing and now with

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machine learning and this is an

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interesting angle to that because there

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are plenty of people out there who don't

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trust NASA they think NASA you know

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hides information from us they think

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that you know NASA knows about aliens

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who won't reveal it to us

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I think they dr. photos and doctor the

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results that they release to the public

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for those people you know machine

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learning has to and and using AI has to

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be a good thing too for the same reason

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we talk about the private space industry

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and the you know these rich billionaires

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who are just their interests are

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themselves and trying to make money

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because it's their business in addition

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to exploration and just learning about

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space it's more likely that they'll be

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the ones to discover extraterrestrial

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life and you know seemingly without the

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red tape and everything we'll be able to

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make an announcement to the public more

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easily and readily then the NASA would

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for the people who think that NASA would

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for whatever reason keep that a secret

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but now you've got the robots and you

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think the robots are going to be on the

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side of NASA or something or some secret

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government that doesn't want information

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out and we've got robots robots going to

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be cool and they're gonna there

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tell us what's up I like Robbo I hope so

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I'm still sorry you struck a nerve with

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me there with the latest press on the

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robot Sofia who wants to have children

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and talking about naming her kids and

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I'm like all I can think about is all

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the movies AI and the rest of the movies

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that the robots then realized that

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they're being mistreated and come back

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and kill us and that's a frightening

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thought

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I think it's inevitable but yeah good

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run where robots are my buds because I

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like robots oh yeah well I do I do think

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we're inching closer to the idea that

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all of this information that we're

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receiving from these different

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satellites this stuff that can be

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separated from more classified military

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you know potential risk if that

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information is released to be open

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sourced yeah and once that happens and

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we'll have this big thing where everyone

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can work on this information we do have

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that with the crowdfunding a little bit

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but but I'm looking at a grander scale

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mm-hmm that hopefully that will happen

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soon but um let's let's talk about

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outside of space we haven't had like a

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really strange pilot sighting that's

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unidentified like this for a while this

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um sighting it really not one that we've

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heard about in such detail and from so

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many pilots you know typically you know

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and and people can debate this but you

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know we generally like to consider

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pilots as as pretty good witnesses when

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it comes to UFO accounts because they

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spend their time in the air they

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typically have a pretty good grasp on

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what things that are supposed to be in

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the sky look like you know that they're

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in the sky day in day out and night in

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night out I guess

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flying around so they're used to seeing

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planes coming from all directions planes

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flying in different you know with the

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Sun in different different areas of the

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skies or different reflections different

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things like that different weather

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environments birds now drones blimps all

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the stuff that's in the sky they get

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pretty good view of it as it should be

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at sky level and so when there's

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something that's out of the ordinary to

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them such as the craft that's flying

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considerably faster than it should or

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doing manoeuvres that it shouldn't be

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able to make you know that's pretty

548
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fascinating stuff and it's hard to just

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dismiss it as oh they didn't know what

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they were seeing or it's just the jet

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running drugs to Canada you know a lot

552
00:23:25,260 --> 00:23:23,440
of fascinating things with that case

553
00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:25,270
that make you say well it could be

554
00:23:29,550 --> 00:23:27,910
something interesting here and looking

555
00:23:32,130 --> 00:23:29,560
at Reddit you know take credit for what

556
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:32,140
it is but people posting basically like

557
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:33,610
on a message for them and you can't

558
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:35,410
verify who these people are and if their

559
00:23:40,740 --> 00:23:37,450
credentials are actually what they claim

560
00:23:43,050 --> 00:23:40,750
to be but having so many people just

561
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:43,060
chime in and say yeah you know this

562
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:45,490
isn't an unusual occurrence this kind of

563
00:23:49,410 --> 00:23:47,290
stuff happens more often than you would

564
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:49,420
think and you and I certainly know that

565
00:23:53,910 --> 00:23:51,370
we've heard from so many pilots over the

566
00:23:55,620 --> 00:23:53,920
years saying yeah this stuff happens a

567
00:23:58,110 --> 00:23:55,630
lot we hear a lot of guys talking about

568
00:24:00,450 --> 00:23:58,120
incidents like this but more times than

569
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:00,460
not nobody will get on the radio and

570
00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:02,410
talk about it or try to look into it

571
00:24:05,790 --> 00:24:04,120
because they're worried about their

572
00:24:08,250 --> 00:24:05,800
careers they don't want to lose their

573
00:24:11,370 --> 00:24:08,260
jobs and say oh this guy's losing it

574
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:11,380
because he's reporting something pretty

575
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:13,210
bizarre that obviously isn't there

576
00:24:19,650 --> 00:24:15,970
because nothing you know stops and takes

577
00:24:21,090 --> 00:24:19,660
off at faster than any jet we have I you

578
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:21,100
have a lot of people who see this stuff

579
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:23,050
and don't want to report it but here we

580
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:25,690
have so many pilots and the audio is

581
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:27,490
pretty cool to hearing them and just

582
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:29,650
chiming in saying yeah I see it now it's

583
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:32,320
over here it's at this position it's

584
00:24:35,610 --> 00:24:32,890
pretty cool

585
00:24:38,130 --> 00:24:35,620
yeah and absolutely and as somebody who

586
00:24:40,380 --> 00:24:38,140
now you know I finally returned from

587
00:24:42,270 --> 00:24:40,390
Spain I'm back in the Pacific Northwest

588
00:24:46,170 --> 00:24:42,280
where this happened I was not here

589
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:46,180
obviously this area has a ton of history

590
00:24:52,830 --> 00:24:48,900
in terms of unidentified flying

591
00:24:54,780 --> 00:24:52,840
phenomena and in this area and some

592
00:24:58,110 --> 00:24:54,790
interesting conspiracies to that some

593
00:25:00,810 --> 00:24:58,120
have been recently alleged to maybe have

594
00:25:04,290 --> 00:25:00,820
been solved like DB Cooper's money you

595
00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:04,300
know or or you have you know Kenneth

596
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,110
Arnold sighting up in this area and if

597
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:10,480
we go further north and alas

598
00:25:13,770 --> 00:25:12,130
you know we've got all the Foo Fighters

599
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:13,780
and everything else that were reported

600
00:25:22,620 --> 00:25:17,770
and recorded that there's a ton of pilot

601
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:22,630
sightings in this area and and yet we

602
00:25:29,310 --> 00:25:24,490
don't really have any concrete answers

603
00:25:32,030 --> 00:25:29,320
for what any of this stuff has been so

604
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:32,040
this I mean this is a fresh sighting and

605
00:25:38,790 --> 00:25:35,710
so maybe we'll see something develop

606
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:38,800
maybe we'll hear some more things maybe

607
00:25:44,730 --> 00:25:42,730
NORAD isn't telling us all they know so

608
00:25:46,530 --> 00:25:44,740
it'll be interesting to follow up on of

609
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:46,540
course you know it's it's quite

610
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:49,210
plausible that it was something to do

611
00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:52,710
with military or something else but

612
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:56,260
maybe something unknown and not a drug

613
00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:56,650
runner

614
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,810
and here's the thing I mean I think even

615
00:26:02,250 --> 00:26:00,640
if nothing else comes to this we don't

616
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:02,260
hear any more about this case which is

617
00:26:07,050 --> 00:26:05,050
most likely what will happen I I think

618
00:26:08,850 --> 00:26:07,060
the the greatest possible thing that

619
00:26:11,310 --> 00:26:08,860
could come from this and more stories

620
00:26:14,580 --> 00:26:11,320
like it is just the visibility of it

621
00:26:16,530 --> 00:26:14,590
other pilots seeing you know things like

622
00:26:18,810 --> 00:26:16,540
that reported and you know making a

623
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:18,820
splash and and making a new story and

624
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:19,450
saying huh

625
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:21,010
other people see this stuff too and

626
00:26:25,890 --> 00:26:23,050
these guys you know we're happy to speak

627
00:26:29,250 --> 00:26:25,900
about it maybe it's okay to talk about

628
00:26:31,380 --> 00:26:29,260
this topic absolutely and then again

629
00:26:33,420 --> 00:26:31,390
having the official recognition from

630
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:33,430
NORAD that yep this is something we were

631
00:26:40,050 --> 00:26:37,500
alerted to we were investigating and um

632
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,060
it's a step in the right direction if

633
00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:43,120
anything I think but yeah an added added

634
00:26:46,530 --> 00:26:45,070
bonus to this one that made it even more

635
00:26:48,660 --> 00:26:46,540
fascinating was the scrambling of

636
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,670
fighter jets and we certainly have other

637
00:26:52,260 --> 00:26:50,320
documented cases of that so I encourage

638
00:26:53,610 --> 00:26:52,270
people to go go do some research do some

639
00:26:56,580 --> 00:26:53,620
digging there are documented cases of

640
00:27:00,510 --> 00:26:56,590
that just fascinating when you have you

641
00:27:02,250 --> 00:27:00,520
know pilot sightings paired with combat

642
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:02,260
planes being scrambled to intercept

643
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:05,410
these things and failing at even finding

644
00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:07,650
these things it's kind of freaky a

645
00:27:12,660 --> 00:27:10,990
little bit awesome but mostly freaky so

646
00:27:14,850 --> 00:27:12,670
you know things like that make you

647
00:27:16,020 --> 00:27:14,860
scratch your head and go wow maybe this

648
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:16,030
is something that we should be taking a

649
00:27:20,490 --> 00:27:17,410
little more serious

650
00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:20,500
so Jason I'm excited because we have a

651
00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:23,350
special guest for our first interview of

652
00:27:27,419 --> 00:27:23,950
our new

653
00:27:29,310 --> 00:27:27,429
buuut a friend and a supporter of the

654
00:27:31,980 --> 00:27:29,320
show and someone we've known for for a

655
00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:31,990
few years now here quite a few years oh

656
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:35,260
yeah Brice Sabol he was a CNN

657
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:39,730
correspondent he has Emmy award-winning

658
00:27:44,509 --> 00:27:42,010
television production experience he's

659
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:44,519
been a part of the Academy Awards and

660
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:47,529
various other video of the Academy the

661
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:49,570
the television Academy the group that

662
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:51,970
puts on the Emmys oh absolutely and he's

663
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:54,250
written quite a few books and just a

664
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:56,529
stand-up guy so we're really excited to

665
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,159
have him join us today so thanks so much

666
00:28:04,980 --> 00:28:02,559
for joining us Brice absolutely

667
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:04,990
something cool you were actually our

668
00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:10,480
second guest on spacing out ever oh yeah

669
00:28:15,539 --> 00:28:13,960
I think the first official guest right

670
00:28:17,789 --> 00:28:15,549
people you know how competitive I am

671
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:17,799
because if I was only the second and I'm

672
00:28:21,299 --> 00:28:19,090
a little worried about it but if I was

673
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:21,309
the first official that's good like an

674
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:24,130
episode first guest I love that that's

675
00:28:27,389 --> 00:28:25,570
that's a good splitting of the

676
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:27,399
difference so that's right yes so that's

677
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:30,130
perfect because you know you've been on

678
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:34,090
spacing out several times now but again

679
00:28:38,430 --> 00:28:35,289
you are number one

680
00:28:42,060 --> 00:28:38,440
since our rebooting at the show so yeah

681
00:28:43,879 --> 00:28:42,070
I think it's every you know I love to be

682
00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:43,889
part of any good reboot you know that

683
00:28:49,049 --> 00:28:46,750
Hollywood guy yeah for sure so we

684
00:28:50,669 --> 00:28:49,059
usually have you on for a bit different

685
00:28:54,299 --> 00:28:50,679
reason we usually talk to you strictly

686
00:28:56,009 --> 00:28:54,309
about nonfiction UFO topics but now

687
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,019
you've jumped into the realm of

688
00:29:01,529 --> 00:28:58,960
alternative fiction and this one's on

689
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:01,539
the Beatles and your latest book came

690
00:29:08,009 --> 00:29:04,570
out was it December 5th yes just last

691
00:29:12,029 --> 00:29:08,019
week my time yeah absolutely and and so

692
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:12,039
we have this this awesome book once

693
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:13,840
there was a way what if the Beatles stay

694
00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:16,330
together and it's the whole idea of what

695
00:29:21,779 --> 00:29:18,070
if John Lennon didn't die and the

696
00:29:23,820 --> 00:29:21,789
Beatles kept going as a band how did you

697
00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:23,830
even come up with getting involved in

698
00:29:28,379 --> 00:29:25,960
this topic well I kind of fell into

699
00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:28,389
alternate history actually if you think

700
00:29:32,970 --> 00:29:30,580
about it you're talking about UFOs going

701
00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:32,980
back to the 90s when I had dark skies on

702
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:35,830
NBC which if you really want to define

703
00:29:40,140 --> 00:29:37,810
it it is an alternate history you

704
00:29:42,420 --> 00:29:40,150
basically a history saying that Kennedy

705
00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:42,430
was assassinated because he was going to

706
00:29:46,350 --> 00:29:44,440
tell the truth about UFOs in his second

707
00:29:48,780 --> 00:29:46,360
term so that was an alternate history

708
00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:48,790
and then a few years ago I sort of went

709
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:50,500
down the rabbit hole entirely I'm a

710
00:29:54,330 --> 00:29:52,330
fiction writer I happen to talk about

711
00:29:58,650 --> 00:29:54,340
the things that I write about in a

712
00:30:01,050 --> 00:29:58,660
nonfiction way as the UFOs a example

713
00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:01,060
points out but what I did a few years

714
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:02,920
ago is I just went all the way with the

715
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:05,440
with I went all the way of at JFK I said

716
00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:07,330
I my first book was called surrounded by

717
00:30:11,670 --> 00:30:09,670
enemies what if Kennedy survived Dallas

718
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:11,680
and I thought it would be a one-off but

719
00:30:16,380 --> 00:30:14,080
it won the sidewise award for alternate

720
00:30:18,270 --> 00:30:16,390
history which is kind of a big deal I

721
00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:18,280
mean Philip Roth has won it so I was

722
00:30:21,540 --> 00:30:20,260
very happy to have won it and it got a

723
00:30:23,370 --> 00:30:21,550
book published you're saying you know

724
00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:23,380
you should do this again what would you

725
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:25,660
do for a second book that was diversion

726
00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:27,850
books and I figured if you're gonna do

727
00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:29,980
the icons of the counterculture you've

728
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:32,740
got JFK now you need to go with what

729
00:30:38,610 --> 00:30:34,810
else the Beatles and I thought it was a

730
00:30:40,890 --> 00:30:38,620
really compelling what-if because so

731
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:40,900
many people really don't know the

732
00:30:46,170 --> 00:30:43,450
Beatles at all other than this really

733
00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:46,180
older rock and roll group of the best

734
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:48,070
ever probably but if you think about it

735
00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:50,530
the Beatles were contemporaries of the

736
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:52,780
Rolling Stones and the Rolling Stones

737
00:30:57,780 --> 00:30:55,330
were happening at the same exact time as

738
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,790
the Beatles and and and we're

739
00:31:01,770 --> 00:30:59,440
competitors really friends and

740
00:31:03,630 --> 00:31:01,780
competitors and who's one of the top

741
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:03,640
bands in the world right now but the

742
00:31:08,010 --> 00:31:06,010
Rolling Stones so it's not impossible to

743
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:08,020
be talking about the Beatles and asking

744
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:10,090
what could have happened if they could

745
00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:11,950
have worked it out instead of let it be

746
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:14,710
and so that's really what once there was

747
00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:17,200
ways all about trying to ask the

748
00:31:21,450 --> 00:31:18,820
question what could have happened

749
00:31:22,830 --> 00:31:21,460
differently what break point might have

750
00:31:24,270 --> 00:31:22,840
occurred in history that would have

751
00:31:26,610 --> 00:31:24,280
allowed the Beatles to find a way to

752
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,620
continue to play together and it isn't

753
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:28,720
just about John Lennon's surviving John

754
00:31:32,580 --> 00:31:30,730
Lennon actually does survive in the book

755
00:31:34,380 --> 00:31:32,590
I don't think that's a spoiler of any

756
00:31:36,570 --> 00:31:34,390
kind if you're gonna have the Beatles

757
00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:36,580
continue to play together but I start

758
00:31:41,370 --> 00:31:39,040
the the book far back I started back

759
00:31:43,710 --> 00:31:41,380
while they're still the Beatles in 1968

760
00:31:45,510 --> 00:31:43,720
find some of those little things that

761
00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:45,520
could have been happening even as they

762
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:47,080
were starting to fracture in our

763
00:31:51,389 --> 00:31:48,850
timeline and try to keep them together

764
00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:51,399
and so far I think

765
00:31:54,749 --> 00:31:53,470
the people that have been you know

766
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:54,759
getting a chance to look at the book

767
00:31:58,860 --> 00:31:56,799
feel that way they feel like that it's

768
00:32:02,279 --> 00:31:58,870
kind of a fun book to read in it and in

769
00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:02,289
a time where Trump and the news makes

770
00:32:07,879 --> 00:32:05,470
everybody a little on edge here's the

771
00:32:10,739 --> 00:32:07,889
book that makes people feel pretty good

772
00:32:13,860 --> 00:32:10,749
absolutely and I would say when I was

773
00:32:16,409 --> 00:32:13,870
reading it that it's a bit almost Dan

774
00:32:19,379 --> 00:32:16,419
Brown esque where you have all these

775
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:19,389
little portions of real places real

776
00:32:25,289 --> 00:32:23,049
albums real history bits and pieces of

777
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:25,299
things that did happen with a slight

778
00:32:29,399 --> 00:32:27,730
twist and I I think that's like the

779
00:32:31,109 --> 00:32:29,409
really interesting thing especially if

780
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,119
you're a Beatles fan that you'll

781
00:32:36,539 --> 00:32:33,279
recognize some of these aspects and say

782
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:36,549
oh man and it's you know drives you to

783
00:32:41,009 --> 00:32:39,129
read further into it but if you're not a

784
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:41,019
Beatles fan it's still interesting and

785
00:32:45,930 --> 00:32:44,110
there's a lot of drama obviously I don't

786
00:32:47,730 --> 00:32:45,940
want to give a lot of oil or salt but we

787
00:32:50,639 --> 00:32:47,740
can talk about anything yeah you know

788
00:32:54,899 --> 00:32:50,649
the FBI connection right sure which we

789
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:54,909
do know is Lennon was targeted by the

790
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,320
FBI

791
00:33:02,399 --> 00:32:58,960
you know surveillance happened all the

792
00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:02,409
time what if that was a bigger aspect so

793
00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:06,070
I or a different aspect in a way though

794
00:33:11,850 --> 00:33:08,860
just to follow up that thought yes in

795
00:33:14,249 --> 00:33:11,860
our timeline in the 70s John Lennon was

796
00:33:16,919 --> 00:33:14,259
living in the United States and and he

797
00:33:19,109 --> 00:33:16,929
became a target of the Nixon

798
00:33:21,570 --> 00:33:19,119
administration he was put on the enemies

799
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:21,580
list that John Dean testified to

800
00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:24,190
Congress about and Lennon saw that as

801
00:33:29,850 --> 00:33:27,940
kind of a badge of honor that he was had

802
00:33:32,009 --> 00:33:29,860
alienated the Nixon administration and

803
00:33:34,769 --> 00:33:32,019
they had turned both the FBI and the AI

804
00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:34,779
NS loose on him but you're you're right

805
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:36,460
about how once there was a way would

806
00:33:41,399 --> 00:33:38,710
take something like that that's embedded

807
00:33:45,180 --> 00:33:41,409
in our own real reality in our timeline

808
00:33:47,220 --> 00:33:45,190
and twist it and my thinking would be if

809
00:33:49,340 --> 00:33:47,230
the Beatles had stayed together Lennon

810
00:33:52,139 --> 00:33:49,350
would still have been a radical

811
00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:52,149
political force would still have

812
00:33:55,710 --> 00:33:53,950
probably been in the United States would

813
00:33:57,210 --> 00:33:55,720
still have probably pissed off the Nixon

814
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,220
administration but the difference would

815
00:34:01,169 --> 00:33:59,200
have been the next administration would

816
00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:01,179
have been seeing him as the leader of

817
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:04,140
the Beatles and so rather

818
00:34:07,670 --> 00:34:05,940
than getting Lenin off the hook it

819
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:07,680
probably would have gotten McCartney and

820
00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:10,560
Harrison and Starr on the hook that they

821
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:12,780
would have been guilty by association in

822
00:34:18,409 --> 00:34:15,419
the eyes of Nixon and so that's one of

823
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:18,419
those great examples where everything in

824
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:21,810
the book feels very real which is the

825
00:34:25,490 --> 00:34:23,310
thing that I tried I've tried to do that

826
00:34:27,620 --> 00:34:25,500
in all these alternate histories -

827
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:27,630
there's no time travel in my alternate

828
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:29,730
histories there's no magic there's no

829
00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:32,399
none of that it just sort of takes the

830
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:34,590
place where history starts to divert and

831
00:34:38,419 --> 00:34:36,210
tries to make it as real as possible

832
00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:38,429
because I think particularly when you're

833
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,080
writing for people who are beatles fans

834
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:42,960
these people know their stuff and so the

835
00:34:46,580 --> 00:34:44,730
greatest reward you can give a Beatles

836
00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:46,590
fan is to say I'm not going to insult

837
00:34:50,899 --> 00:34:48,419
your intelligence by making up stuff

838
00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:50,909
that's just out of whole cloth and crazy

839
00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:53,820
I'm gonna I'm gonna take the stuff that

840
00:34:57,940 --> 00:34:55,320
you already know and bend it and twist

841
00:35:00,800 --> 00:34:57,950
it and shape it into something else and

842
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,810
you know it's been quite a long time

843
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:02,640
since the Beatles played together so

844
00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:04,920
what this allows us to do is to have new

845
00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:06,750
adventures for the Beatles and if you

846
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:09,480
think about it we have a number of great

847
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:11,490
characters in literature and history

848
00:35:15,260 --> 00:35:13,500
Captain Kirk happens to be a great

849
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:15,270
character who now has been played by

850
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,610
several people what about Batman

851
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:20,160
what about Hamlet you know people play

852
00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:22,260
these characters and the characters are

853
00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:23,940
enriched by it I don't know why the

854
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:27,240
beadle can't have the same enrichment

855
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:29,160
they're wonderful characters who among

856
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:31,140
us doesn't know the difference between

857
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:33,450
John Paul George and Ringo who doesn't

858
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:36,090
know something about the personality

859
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:38,040
types they represent so all I've really

860
00:35:42,350 --> 00:35:40,260
done is taken those four personality

861
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:42,360
types and wound them into a wholly

862
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,130
different story and yet they're still

863
00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:46,560
themselves they still behave as you

864
00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:48,270
would expect them to behave but now

865
00:35:51,890 --> 00:35:49,800
they're behaving two different stimuli

866
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:51,900
so it's been really fun - to write it

867
00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:55,200
and to talk to people about it it sounds

868
00:36:01,250 --> 00:35:58,200
like this book Bryce would make quite a

869
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:01,260
fun movie I hope so

870
00:36:06,050 --> 00:36:04,410
nobody actually as you know nobody in

871
00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:06,060
publishing except for Dan Brown and

872
00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:09,720
Stephen King and and JK Rowling actually

873
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:11,070
get rich off the publishing industry

874
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:14,130
these days what I'm a television and a

875
00:36:17,970 --> 00:36:16,200
feature writer primarily not a not a

876
00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:17,980
book author although now I do can

877
00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:21,550
myself a book author but if you know

878
00:36:27,690 --> 00:36:23,830
what I do is I write things that are

879
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:27,700
filmed and and produced so what I did

880
00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:29,650
with the the breakpoint series which

881
00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:31,600
includes surrounded by enemies the JFK

882
00:36:35,099 --> 00:36:33,369
book and now once there was a way which

883
00:36:37,020 --> 00:36:35,109
is the Beatles book is I've tried to

884
00:36:39,150 --> 00:36:37,030
create my own intellectual property my

885
00:36:40,890 --> 00:36:39,160
own underlying rights that I don't have

886
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:40,900
to go to somebody every two years and

887
00:36:44,430 --> 00:36:43,090
re-up the option on this is my option I

888
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,440
own it so I can do what I want with it

889
00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:46,720
the only thing I would say is I'd be I'd

890
00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:49,270
be very happy of course to write a movie

891
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:51,340
about once there was a way it would be a

892
00:36:56,490 --> 00:36:54,400
fantastic film but I think it might find

893
00:36:59,160 --> 00:36:56,500
its expression in a better way as a

894
00:37:03,540 --> 00:36:59,170
miniseries or a series that breakpoint

895
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:03,550
is sort of the uber large series name

896
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:05,890
much in the way that it may be American

897
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:08,410
Horror Story is sort of the uber thing

898
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:10,090
but then each season is a different

899
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:13,210
what-if so one season might be Kennedy

900
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:15,330
lives one season might be the Beatles

901
00:37:19,410 --> 00:37:17,920
continue to play and God knows what the

902
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,420
other seasons will be but I guarantee

903
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:21,520
there's plenty of great ones out there

904
00:37:25,470 --> 00:37:23,650
to do and once people sort of get the

905
00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:25,480
hang of it after that first season I

906
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:27,670
think that they'll be really enjoying

907
00:37:32,730 --> 00:37:30,640
this alternate history and hopefully

908
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:32,740
they'll enjoy watching it as much as

909
00:37:37,770 --> 00:37:35,170
I've enjoyed writing it absolutely that

910
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:37,780
is a fantastic idea

911
00:37:44,460 --> 00:37:41,410
I would definitely watch it ASSA t do

912
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:44,470
you have a an actor that you would peg

913
00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:45,490
for John Lennon

914
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:48,670
well John Lennon or old well it's it's

915
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:53,710
dead that's a really excellent point the

916
00:37:58,670 --> 00:37:56,530
Beatles in our minds are these young men

917
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:58,680
who were part of Beatlemania and

918
00:38:05,070 --> 00:38:01,359
literally they broke up just as they

919
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:05,080
were all turning 30 okay so if you think

920
00:38:09,450 --> 00:38:07,510
about it the series or the movie or

921
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:09,460
whatever the expression would be would

922
00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:13,090
be men in their 30s right so for the

923
00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:15,220
first time instead of hiring older

924
00:38:19,950 --> 00:38:17,260
actors and trying to pawn them off as

925
00:38:21,930 --> 00:38:19,960
these youthful Beatles I would be able

926
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:21,940
to hire actors and let them either play

927
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:25,510
their age or or age them up the book

928
00:38:30,750 --> 00:38:28,570
itself focuses on those years of what I

929
00:38:31,620 --> 00:38:30,760
call the years of maximum danger to the

930
00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:31,630
to the be

931
00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:34,120
so that would be from 1968 in the book

932
00:38:40,590 --> 00:38:38,230
through 1975 although they continue to

933
00:38:42,810 --> 00:38:40,600
play together as the book goes forward

934
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,820
so these would be older men so the

935
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:44,560
question is who who would be those

936
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:48,610
people I have learned one thing I think

937
00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:52,000
in my producing which is names are great

938
00:38:58,620 --> 00:38:55,420
but performance is better so even though

939
00:39:01,610 --> 00:38:58,630
there are names that we could play

940
00:39:04,050 --> 00:39:01,620
around with that would be fascinating

941
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,060
the question is are they available can

942
00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:06,400
they sing and can they act because what

943
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:08,380
I what I think you want to do with once

944
00:39:14,420 --> 00:39:10,450
there was a way as a miniseries is you

945
00:39:18,810 --> 00:39:14,430
want to get four people in their 30s who

946
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:18,820
can act like crazy but can also sing and

947
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:21,430
can sing together because what you would

948
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:23,770
be doing in a movie or or a miniseries

949
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:25,690
is you would be taking these four people

950
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:28,510
and you would be portraying them as the

951
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:30,490
Beatles but what songs would be they'd

952
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:32,650
be singing they'd be singing songs like

953
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:35,710
photograph imagine band on the run all

954
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:38,110
things must pass the songs that you guys

955
00:39:44,370 --> 00:39:40,570
in your your viewers and listeners know

956
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:44,380
as solo songs would now be recorded by

957
00:39:48,570 --> 00:39:46,330
the Beatles in this in this miniseries

958
00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:48,580
and I just think that would be really

959
00:39:52,170 --> 00:39:50,470
fun so I've got a long ways around I

960
00:39:54,180 --> 00:39:52,180
haven't answered your question because I

961
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,190
almost haven't allowed myself that

962
00:39:58,650 --> 00:39:56,800
thought you you sort of want to sell it

963
00:40:01,200 --> 00:39:58,660
before you cast it so I guess I'm

964
00:40:05,130 --> 00:40:01,210
superstitious that way sure and I

965
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:05,140
respect that for sure make sense

966
00:40:12,690 --> 00:40:08,050
speaking of these danger years talking

967
00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:12,700
about 1974 yeah Wow

968
00:40:20,130 --> 00:40:17,350
well I I listen the one thing I will

969
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:20,140
tell you that you can't evade who you

970
00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:22,440
are and who I am is a guy that's been

971
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,540
trained in writing television drama our

972
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,760
drama where there's some really strong

973
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:29,200
rules and where you have to really

974
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:31,690
capture that wave of drama and it has to

975
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:33,370
increase and increase till it's it just

976
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:35,710
breaks apart and then you kind of put it

977
00:40:41,730 --> 00:40:39,370
together after that so even though I

978
00:40:45,090 --> 00:40:41,740
love the book in the way that it sort of

979
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:45,100
arcs itself out as you get toward those

980
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:47,110
final years you really gotta up the

981
00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:50,410
stakes and so what I've tried to do and

982
00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:52,630
you know I guess some people may look at

983
00:40:55,830 --> 00:40:54,430
this as a spoiler so those people and I

984
00:40:58,260 --> 00:40:55,840
hate to tell anyone not to listen to

985
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,270
your your show but if they don't want a

986
00:41:01,770 --> 00:40:59,920
spoiler then they should probably not

987
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:01,780
listen right now because what what I

988
00:41:06,990 --> 00:41:04,000
what I have always tried to do with

989
00:41:08,730 --> 00:41:07,000
these what ifs is to no matter how

990
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:08,740
outrageous they are they have to have

991
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:11,710
something that embeds them in a real

992
00:41:16,890 --> 00:41:13,890
event so what do we really know about

993
00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:16,900
1974 we know that the world felt like it

994
00:41:21,150 --> 00:41:17,860
was falling apart

995
00:41:23,850 --> 00:41:21,160
I mean Nixon resigns and and Patty

996
00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:23,860
Hearst gets kidnapped and for those of

997
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:26,680
your listeners viewers who who don't

998
00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:29,770
remember Patty Hearst she was the the

999
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:31,990
great or the granddaughter of the Hearst

1000
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:34,000
fortune she was kidnapped out of her

1001
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:36,850
apartment in Berkeley in 1974 and became

1002
00:41:41,610 --> 00:41:38,530
a bank robber with the Symbionese

1003
00:41:43,380 --> 00:41:41,620
Liberation Army she was on the FBI's top

1004
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:43,390
of the most-wanted list so I thought

1005
00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:45,510
well that's kind of interesting the the

1006
00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:48,300
connection between kidnapping and

1007
00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:51,670
political action that as particularly in

1008
00:41:56,580 --> 00:41:54,280
1974 of these these groups were becoming

1009
00:41:58,380 --> 00:41:56,590
more desperate because first of all

1010
00:42:00,060 --> 00:41:58,390
they've been bombing things and the FBI

1011
00:42:02,190 --> 00:42:00,070
was after them but second of all the

1012
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:02,200
Vietnam War was winding down so the very

1013
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,910
thing that provided the energy to them

1014
00:42:07,770 --> 00:42:05,680
was going away and so what they had to

1015
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:07,780
do is they said we got to do something

1016
00:42:11,490 --> 00:42:09,370
that will get us back in the newspaper

1017
00:42:14,730 --> 00:42:11,500
so they kidnapped Patty Hearst so I

1018
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:14,740
thought that's good I'll try to do that

1019
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:17,130
well what was happening in 1973 and 74

1020
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:21,610
in the lives of our Ford beatles well

1021
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:23,530
what was happening included John Lennon

1022
00:42:28,770 --> 00:42:26,890
being banished by Yoko Ono out of New

1023
00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:28,780
York and out of their Dakota apartment

1024
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:30,430
and moving to Los Angeles where he

1025
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,490
proceeded to get drunk with friends and

1026
00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:36,400
party excessively and he made himself

1027
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:39,640
kind of a visible target and so what I

1028
00:42:45,540 --> 00:42:42,850
have done in 1974 is I've taken the

1029
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:45,550
Patty Hearst page and applied it to the

1030
00:42:50,190 --> 00:42:47,950
John Lennon story I won't spoil any more

1031
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,200
than that other than to say it kicks the

1032
00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:52,480
intensity up of the of the picture a lot

1033
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:55,870
and and it also allows all these other

1034
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:58,330
great characters Paul and Yoko in

1035
00:43:01,380 --> 00:42:58,960
particular

1036
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:01,390
suddenly these two people who haven't

1037
00:43:04,829 --> 00:43:03,369
been the best friends have something

1038
00:43:08,250 --> 00:43:04,839
they need to work on together

1039
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:08,260
and in it really tests people when when

1040
00:43:13,140 --> 00:43:10,960
you're when the crucible of danger is

1041
00:43:15,210 --> 00:43:13,150
applied to someone you mutually care

1042
00:43:17,069 --> 00:43:15,220
about then you're gonna have to figure

1043
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:17,079
out ways to work together and so that

1044
00:43:23,790 --> 00:43:21,010
happens to so yes 1974 is a huge year in

1045
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:23,800
the life of the reconstituted Beatles

1046
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:26,079
and it also goes to prove that this

1047
00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:27,849
isn't just sweetness and light this

1048
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:30,220
isn't just champagne and cookies you

1049
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:33,010
know for for a few years the Beatles

1050
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:35,770
would have had substantial issues and

1051
00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:37,720
problems trying to stay together as a

1052
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:39,640
group they couldn't have done it without

1053
00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:43,569
a lot of mistakes and a lot of problems

1054
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,540
and they also would have drawn more

1055
00:43:49,710 --> 00:43:48,400
attention to themselves by staying

1056
00:43:52,890 --> 00:43:49,720
together because they would no longer

1057
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:52,900
have been the four guys out trying to

1058
00:43:57,540 --> 00:43:55,170
survive out in the world and and stay

1059
00:43:59,460 --> 00:43:57,550
you know sort of stay out of the public

1060
00:44:02,130 --> 00:43:59,470
eye they would have been by their very

1061
00:44:05,370 --> 00:44:02,140
nature then in the public eye so it gets

1062
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:05,380
pretty crazy and yeah and it's it's fun

1063
00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:08,170
but Byron winning Lennon from New York

1064
00:44:14,359 --> 00:44:11,230
on 74 you lose his UFO sighting yeah

1065
00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:14,369
that's actually that's not true

1066
00:44:22,140 --> 00:44:20,230
let's lemon in 1974 came back to New

1067
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:22,150
York in our timeline we're talking about

1068
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:24,490
the the timeline that we're talking

1069
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,250
about the real our historical timeline

1070
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:29,920
it is true that John Lennon came back to

1071
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:30,460
New York

1072
00:44:35,309 --> 00:44:33,280
he didn't reunite with Yoko immediately

1073
00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:35,319
he did want to but he didn't then he

1074
00:44:41,549 --> 00:44:37,390
came back he was living in New York in

1075
00:44:43,859 --> 00:44:41,559
74 yeah with Mei pang his assistant that

1076
00:44:46,980 --> 00:44:43,869
he had gone to Los Angeles with and

1077
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:46,990
you're so right I mean the connection

1078
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:48,430
between the Beatles and some of the

1079
00:44:52,829 --> 00:44:50,079
things we've talked about in the past is

1080
00:44:54,809 --> 00:44:52,839
that John Lennon unique among all four

1081
00:44:57,870 --> 00:44:54,819
of the Beatles had a UFO sighting an

1082
00:45:00,839 --> 00:44:57,880
up-close-and-personal one he saw a UFO

1083
00:45:02,099 --> 00:45:00,849
which as as I've heard it described sort

1084
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:02,109
of sounds like one of those colorful

1085
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:06,160
spinning top kind of UFOs he and may

1086
00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:08,410
paying both saw it they both went out on

1087
00:45:12,330 --> 00:45:10,990
the the veranda and looked at it for

1088
00:45:15,150 --> 00:45:12,340
quite a while

1089
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,160
and up close and then it took off and

1090
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:17,680
Lenin talked openly about this and

1091
00:45:20,850 --> 00:45:19,090
people say well then you know I'm

1092
00:45:22,380 --> 00:45:20,860
surprised why haven't I heard more about

1093
00:45:22,890 --> 00:45:22,390
it and why didn't people do something

1094
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:22,900
about it

1095
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:24,570
well first of all he was John Lennon

1096
00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:27,250
second of all he was naked when he saw

1097
00:45:31,890 --> 00:45:29,590
the UFO and third of all people knew

1098
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,900
that his history of drugs so the people

1099
00:45:33,690 --> 00:45:33,280
that didn't want it to amount to

1100
00:45:35,850 --> 00:45:33,700
anything

1101
00:45:38,070 --> 00:45:35,860
it was easy for them to say well it's

1102
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:38,080
John Lennon what do you expect so yes

1103
00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:41,050
very good call very good call and you

1104
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:42,760
may have been Maureen you may have been

1105
00:45:47,130 --> 00:45:45,040
talking about the Lenin siding and I'm

1106
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:47,140
going off on the whole revolutionary

1107
00:45:54,540 --> 00:45:49,690
thing but I think it's all part of the

1108
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:54,550
same thing and in reality though there's

1109
00:45:59,550 --> 00:45:57,610
no that's the kind of thing that I think

1110
00:46:00,480 --> 00:45:59,560
could easily have happened in either

1111
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:00,490
alternative

1112
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:02,410
I mean Lenin could have found himself in

1113
00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:05,200
New York in both cases and actually he's

1114
00:46:10,740 --> 00:46:07,030
kind of does in the book so it's all

1115
00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:10,750
good it's all good yeah I I was almost

1116
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:13,390
surprised a little bit just because of

1117
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:17,050
how we've known you forever at that his

1118
00:46:21,810 --> 00:46:20,050
tangent in the UFO world didn't go off

1119
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:21,820
on this other direction and all of a

1120
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:23,710
sudden you see John Lennon at the folk

1121
00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:25,450
conferences are speaking about his side

1122
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:27,670
answer you know what here's the thing

1123
00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:29,890
I've you guys have experienced this as

1124
00:46:34,530 --> 00:46:31,750
much as I have most people have never

1125
00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:34,540
heard about this and second of all Lenin

1126
00:46:39,450 --> 00:46:37,660
himself didn't really follow up too much

1127
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:39,460
I mean in the immediate aftermath he

1128
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:41,170
talked to people about it even wrote

1129
00:46:46,260 --> 00:46:43,090
that songs you know Strange Days indeed

1130
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:46,270
there's UFOs over New York so I mean he

1131
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:48,160
wasn't afraid to say which is what I

1132
00:46:54,270 --> 00:46:51,210
love about him and I have a quote that I

1133
00:46:55,890 --> 00:46:54,280
is on my wall I it's not on this wall so

1134
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:55,900
I can't read it to you but it's Lenin

1135
00:47:00,360 --> 00:46:58,000
talking about what it would mean to

1136
00:47:02,610 --> 00:47:00,370
disclose UFO reality which is something

1137
00:47:04,350 --> 00:47:02,620
I'm I talk a lot about it's why we

1138
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:04,360
talked in the first place because of

1139
00:47:09,570 --> 00:47:06,370
that first book ad after disclosure that

1140
00:47:14,010 --> 00:47:09,580
I wrote with Richard Dolan and I think

1141
00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:14,020
that Lenin certainly was not intimidated

1142
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,150
he wasn't worried people were gonna

1143
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:17,920
think he was weird he they already

1144
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:19,330
thought that so what did he have to lose

1145
00:47:25,799 --> 00:47:22,960
and a god bless him because he he said

1146
00:47:29,009 --> 00:47:25,809
once you tell people what's real

1147
00:47:31,410 --> 00:47:29,019
going on there petty little lie their

1148
00:47:33,739 --> 00:47:31,420
lives are gonna seem petty in comparison

1149
00:47:36,660 --> 00:47:33,749
and it's going to bring radical

1150
00:47:38,429 --> 00:47:36,670
revolutionary change to society and I

1151
00:47:40,529 --> 00:47:38,439
think he was ahead of his time in saying

1152
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:40,539
that and it's he probably encapsulated

1153
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:43,689
in that statement that he made the very

1154
00:47:50,819 --> 00:47:46,930
reason why we're still in 2017 going

1155
00:47:52,410 --> 00:47:50,829
into 2008 arguing about when disclosure

1156
00:47:55,289 --> 00:47:52,420
will happen because it is so

1157
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:55,299
controversial yeah yeah well you know

1158
00:48:01,469 --> 00:47:59,170
now I thinking about you this book and

1159
00:48:04,769 --> 00:48:01,479
just who you are in your background I I

1160
00:48:06,839 --> 00:48:04,779
think this sounds more better suited for

1161
00:48:07,859 --> 00:48:06,849
a television show so I'm gonna keep my

1162
00:48:10,469 --> 00:48:07,869
fingers crossed

1163
00:48:11,849 --> 00:48:10,479
thank you something TV happens with this

1164
00:48:16,019 --> 00:48:11,859
because this would make a fantastic

1165
00:48:18,299 --> 00:48:16,029
series it would and and and in fact it

1166
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:18,309
will be a series with one incredible

1167
00:48:24,839 --> 00:48:21,729
soundtrack which I think I mean it what

1168
00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:24,849
it is in a way it's it's like it's so

1169
00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:26,529
much better than the Monkees which were

1170
00:48:31,859 --> 00:48:28,390
a fake group it's like keeping the

1171
00:48:34,919 --> 00:48:31,869
Beatles together but casting people that

1172
00:48:38,609 --> 00:48:34,929
can sing and and act to portray these

1173
00:48:42,509 --> 00:48:38,619
new storylines because you know you

1174
00:48:43,229 --> 00:48:42,519
think about it 1970 comes they walk away

1175
00:48:44,939 --> 00:48:43,239
from it

1176
00:48:47,669 --> 00:48:44,949
yeah they create four different river

1177
00:48:49,709 --> 00:48:47,679
lights in their own timeframe but neat

1178
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:49,719
none of them are as compelling as what

1179
00:48:53,849 --> 00:48:51,609
the Beatles would have been had they

1180
00:48:55,410 --> 00:48:53,859
continued to stay together and so that's

1181
00:49:00,059 --> 00:48:55,420
what I've tried to do and by the way I

1182
00:49:02,130 --> 00:49:00,069
don't you know not to promote too

1183
00:49:03,689 --> 00:49:02,140
heavily here but I do think people might

1184
00:49:05,309 --> 00:49:03,699
be interested that there is a website

1185
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,319
that we built that has a lot of Easter

1186
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:07,839
eggs in it for people who want to see a

1187
00:49:11,699 --> 00:49:09,910
little bit more about how this this

1188
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:11,709
Beatles thing plays out maybe before

1189
00:49:14,849 --> 00:49:13,209
they even buy the book it doesn't really

1190
00:49:18,299 --> 00:49:14,859
matter it works both ways but that's

1191
00:49:20,189 --> 00:49:18,309
called what if Beatles calm and that's

1192
00:49:22,259 --> 00:49:20,199
just a chance to see some of the albums

1193
00:49:23,969 --> 00:49:22,269
that could have been recorded to hear

1194
00:49:25,410 --> 00:49:23,979
some of that kind of stuff and if people

1195
00:49:27,509 --> 00:49:25,420
want to buy it of course they can get it

1196
00:49:29,219 --> 00:49:27,519
from I actually bought the I don't need

1197
00:49:32,370 --> 00:49:29,229
I didn't even know you could do this but

1198
00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:32,380
I bought the URL Amazon Beatles calm and

1199
00:49:36,539 --> 00:49:34,329
the police did not come knocking at my

1200
00:49:38,759 --> 00:49:36,549
door and take it away from me so I'm

1201
00:49:39,210 --> 00:49:38,769
still using Amazon Beatles calm and

1202
00:49:41,550 --> 00:49:39,220
that's who

1203
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:41,560
good way to get the book awesome and

1204
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:44,050
people still have time to get the book

1205
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:47,770
before Christmas yes which is I thought

1206
00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:51,369
all along that once there was which be

1207
00:49:56,070 --> 00:49:54,310
the perfect Christmas gift for the

1208
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:56,080
Beatles fan who has everything because

1209
00:50:00,030 --> 00:49:58,240
they don't have this I mean I wrote

1210
00:50:01,349 --> 00:50:00,040
something that I wanted to read and

1211
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:01,359
since I couldn't find anyone who had

1212
00:50:05,609 --> 00:50:02,890
written it the way I wanted to read it I

1213
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:05,619
had to write it myself and what's uh you

1214
00:50:12,030 --> 00:50:08,640
know what is interesting is here is a

1215
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:12,040
book that it's a it's a slim little

1216
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:14,770
volume but it's packed with a lot of

1217
00:50:19,260 --> 00:50:16,510
good stuff but what's interesting is

1218
00:50:22,109 --> 00:50:19,270
that here's a book that people can

1219
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:22,119
literally get shipped to them and get it

1220
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:23,890
for Christmas but imagine that you're in

1221
00:50:28,589 --> 00:50:26,950
that secret santa thing at the office

1222
00:50:30,990 --> 00:50:28,599
and what do they always tell the Secret

1223
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,000
Santas don't spend more than $25 or

1224
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,760
don't spend more than $20 so I I thought

1225
00:50:37,859 --> 00:50:35,440
well that's great I'll write a Beatles

1226
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:37,869
book that they can get for a really

1227
00:50:41,790 --> 00:50:39,760
cheap price and they can give it a

1228
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:41,800
Secret Santas because everyone knows Bob

1229
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:43,930
at work is a huge Beatles fan or

1230
00:50:48,270 --> 00:50:45,730
whatever so that's what I've tried to do

1231
00:50:50,839 --> 00:50:48,280
and I think I thank you for bringing

1232
00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:50,849
that up because the truth is it is a

1233
00:50:55,770 --> 00:50:53,470
it's the kind of thing you know what

1234
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,780
after all the presents are unwrapped

1235
00:50:59,730 --> 00:50:57,760
then people are like having Christmas

1236
00:51:02,130 --> 00:50:59,740
fatigue they either want to go play

1237
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:02,140
their games or you know whatever they're

1238
00:51:06,210 --> 00:51:04,510
gonna do this is a good one to go grab a

1239
00:51:08,609 --> 00:51:06,220
couple hours with because it does take

1240
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:08,619
you to a different place and it does to

1241
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:10,330
a different time and it does let you

1242
00:51:15,150 --> 00:51:13,450
experience the Beatles who you wish you

1243
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:15,160
heard some new stories from them and now

1244
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:19,810
you can absolutely alright and we're

1245
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:22,240
super excited about the latest project

1246
00:51:26,730 --> 00:51:24,089
of yours but you've done so much more

1247
00:51:29,010 --> 00:51:26,740
aside from the Beatles yes fire to the

1248
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,020
Beatles so where can people go to find

1249
00:51:36,089 --> 00:51:32,160
out about your other works well I

1250
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,099
maintain a professional site called

1251
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:38,800
stellar productions not today which is

1252
00:51:44,670 --> 00:51:41,680
pretty easy to get to and a couple of

1253
00:51:47,849 --> 00:51:44,680
big things going on right now one of

1254
00:51:50,670 --> 00:51:47,859
them is there's a feature film that my

1255
00:51:53,009 --> 00:51:50,680
wife and I are producing with the people

1256
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:53,019
at the picture company is the

1257
00:51:57,929 --> 00:51:56,319
the producer entity in town and it's for

1258
00:51:59,909 --> 00:51:57,939
studio canal and it will shoot next

1259
00:52:01,889 --> 00:51:59,919
spring it's called the last battle and

1260
00:52:03,929 --> 00:52:01,899
it is literally about the last battle of

1261
00:52:06,329 --> 00:52:03,939
world war ii in europe it's a true story

1262
00:52:08,459 --> 00:52:06,339
people are blown away by it and it only

1263
00:52:11,130 --> 00:52:08,469
took us years and years to get it made

1264
00:52:13,919 --> 00:52:11,140
but it's gonna be made next year and

1265
00:52:16,709 --> 00:52:13,929
it'll be a big expensive studio film so

1266
00:52:20,909 --> 00:52:16,719
we like that from the UFO point of view

1267
00:52:22,349 --> 00:52:20,919
though we've also optioned the Cathy

1268
00:52:24,659 --> 00:52:22,359
Mardon and Stanton Friedman book

1269
00:52:26,939 --> 00:52:24,669
captured and have been developing that

1270
00:52:28,919 --> 00:52:26,949
for a few years and are starting to make

1271
00:52:32,429 --> 00:52:28,929
some significant progress that makes me

1272
00:52:34,919 --> 00:52:32,439
feel that that's you know maybe it's

1273
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:34,929
time has come given where the country is

1274
00:52:40,109 --> 00:52:36,249
and that's the fact that it's this

1275
00:52:42,689 --> 00:52:40,119
interracial romance set against the UFO

1276
00:52:45,389 --> 00:52:42,699
storyline and then finally we also have

1277
00:52:47,069 --> 00:52:45,399
the rights to Don Schmidt's witness to

1278
00:52:50,219 --> 00:52:47,079
Roswell and Stanton Friedman's

1279
00:52:52,229 --> 00:52:50,229
top-secret magic that we were calling

1280
00:52:54,539 --> 00:52:52,239
that project Magic Man but then I found

1281
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:54,549
that unless I spelled it for people and

1282
00:52:59,309 --> 00:52:57,130
literally held up the spelling people

1283
00:53:02,249 --> 00:52:59,319
would go so they do magic I don't so

1284
00:53:03,989 --> 00:53:02,259
least weed I figured like you guys know

1285
00:53:05,789 --> 00:53:03,999
what what magic I'm talking about but

1286
00:53:08,669 --> 00:53:05,799
most people don't so we've changed that

1287
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:08,679
to unidentified and again as the year

1288
00:53:12,749 --> 00:53:10,569
closes out and the new year gets ready

1289
00:53:14,429 --> 00:53:12,759
to rev up we have some significant

1290
00:53:17,429 --> 00:53:14,439
progress on that so those are a couple

1291
00:53:19,769 --> 00:53:17,439
of things that I'm excited by and then

1292
00:53:21,889 --> 00:53:19,779
actually it's like sometimes you just

1293
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:21,899
say how does all this happen at once but

1294
00:53:27,689 --> 00:53:25,599
I had a director call me last year and

1295
00:53:29,969 --> 00:53:27,699
say I really loved that movie you did

1296
00:53:32,849 --> 00:53:29,979
for the sci-fi channel official denial

1297
00:53:35,879 --> 00:53:32,859
which was so long ago I've forgotten the

1298
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:35,889
year but it was the first original film

1299
00:53:40,169 --> 00:53:37,569
for the sci-fi channel and it was about

1300
00:53:42,689 --> 00:53:40,179
alien abductions and I loved that film

1301
00:53:44,399 --> 00:53:42,699
dearly but you know I sold it to them

1302
00:53:46,529 --> 00:53:44,409
and they made a cheap version of it that

1303
00:53:49,859 --> 00:53:46,539
I liked to script better than the film

1304
00:53:52,049 --> 00:53:49,869
kind of thing and as it turns out my

1305
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:52,059
wife called the WGA and they said now

1306
00:53:56,999 --> 00:53:55,119
they'd end up actually pay for the film

1307
00:53:59,099 --> 00:53:57,009
rights when they just bought the TV

1308
00:54:01,559 --> 00:53:59,109
rights so you actually can make a film

1309
00:54:03,479 --> 00:54:01,569
out of that so this director Silvan

1310
00:54:06,450 --> 00:54:03,489
white and I are working on that as well

1311
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:06,460
so hopefully there'll be new you

1312
00:54:13,230 --> 00:54:11,050
UFO material out there as well yeah

1313
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:13,240
crazy busy but it sounds like busy with

1314
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:17,730
fun stuff I you know what if if there

1315
00:54:24,329 --> 00:54:21,369
yeah it's this is the most fun it's it's

1316
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,339
really great to bring life to things

1317
00:54:30,060 --> 00:54:26,880
that just turn you on yeah

1318
00:54:31,710 --> 00:54:30,070
the the Beatles idea obviously was one

1319
00:54:33,450 --> 00:54:31,720
of those where I just thought people

1320
00:54:35,550 --> 00:54:33,460
aren't going to be clamoring for me to

1321
00:54:37,950 --> 00:54:35,560
reinvent the Beatles I have to show them

1322
00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:37,960
that's why I had to write at first I had

1323
00:54:42,329 --> 00:54:40,660
to show people what it can be and let

1324
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:42,339
them judge it for themselves and that's

1325
00:54:47,940 --> 00:54:43,930
that's exactly what I'm doing but it is

1326
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:47,950
fun very we always am having you join us

1327
00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:49,930
Bryce thank you thanks for hanging out

1328
00:54:52,740 --> 00:54:50,560
with us again

1329
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:52,750
and congratulations again on the book

1330
00:54:57,329 --> 00:54:54,880
alright guys see you later

1331
00:54:59,400 --> 00:54:57,339
bye-bye take care well that is all for

1332
00:55:02,040 --> 00:54:59,410
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1333
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:02,050
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1334
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unknown or download it on iTunes thanks

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again for joining us today I'm Maureen

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Elsberry and I'm Jason McClellan we'll